Town-hall violence isn't helping anything
Posted 8/10/2009 02:00:00 PM

Many conservatives are angry about bailouts, tax-increase proposals, cap-and-trade legislation and health-care reform. Fine. But instead of resorting to violence, they need to take a seat at the table.
A libertarian activist in Albuquerque crossed a line on Friday when he advocated physical violence against members of left-leaning groups at town hall meetings on health-care reform.
I’m not giving the guy the publicity of linking to his page or publishing his name, but I will tell you that he posted messages on Twitter stating that people should use “retaliation… be it verbal or physical” against members of ACORN and the Service Employees International Union if they decide to attend or disrupt town-hall meetings and should “hurt them. Badly.”
He even advocated that people take advantage of their “license to carry.”
Of course, the man’s inappropriately dangerous tweets are only the latest disgraceful behavior in the national hijacking of the health-care reform debate that has included raucous town hall meetings, physical violence and at least one death threat against a member of Congress.
Though a violent incident in St. Louis appears to break the mold, in general, most of the potentially dangerous incidents have been caused by angry conservatives.
Fanning the flames
Some of the anger on the right is understandable. Conservatives have watched Republican control of the federal government slip away in recent years. But physical violence is not the answer.
I understand the sentiment of many fiscal conservatives who worry about the nation’s economic policies. I’ve expressed my opposition to the bailouts, and to recent tax-increase proposals that I believe are foolish during a recession.
Many people are also upset about recently approved cap-and-trade legislation. And now they’re worried about the proposal to create a public option to compete with private health insurance companies.
That’s fine. Those are reasonable policy differences between many on the left and right, and I’d be surprised if some Americans weren’t upset about such major policy shifts.
But the flames are being fanned by lies spreading like a virus on the Internet about President Barack Obama’s birthplace and false claims that Democrats are making plans to take away Americans’ guns. It’s all garbage, but some people are buying into it. The resulting fear is creating a climate ripe for the type of violence we’ve already seen, violence that threatens to get worse -- maybe much worse -- in the coming weeks.
Obama is not Hitler
To be fair, Obama has created an opening for conspiracy theorists and liars to spread their messages by acting a bit Big-Brother-ish in his first few months in office. First his administration asked all potential appointees detailed questions about their gun ownership on a personnel form, as if that’s any of the White House’s business. Then, last week, the official White House blog asked supporters of health-care reform to send in “fishy” e-mails or other misinformation that’s being spread about the health-care debate.
So now the White House is collecting e-mails sent by people who oppose its agenda on health care.
That sort of action -- collecting e-mails and information about gun ownership -- is a little creepy to me, no matter who is president. But comparisons between Obama and Adolf Hitler are not fair. They are outlandish at best, outrageous at worst because of the sentiment they’re helping spread across the nation.
America, we’re better than this. How about toning down the rhetoric, stopping to the violence, and instead putting our efforts into attempting to understand each other and come up with real solutions to our problems?
Labels: Diary of a Mad Voter columns, Health-care reform, Washington



14 Comments:
Amen, Heath. peace, mjh
I agree. However, it is not fair (like state-run media is doing) to take a couple of nut cases and apply it to concerned citizens. The overwhelming folks in the health care debate are acting civil. You will always have cranks on right and left getting into the fray.
"State-run media"? You mean VOA or Armed Forces Radio? Or Fox (for 8 years)?
The thing that I am seeing in some of the YouTube videos of the nastier town hall incidents is a bunch a people who have been frightened to death with disinformation and outright lies (mostly coming from conservative talk radio and tv hosts or lobbying groups), much of which is colored by their own previous prejudices and anger over losing this election. They are being encouraged to feel like they are victims, and they are responding with fatalism and desperation.
The interesting thing is, after you skim off the loonies and the "astroturfers"what you see are a few basically decent people who are being manipulated at the gut level by entities who care little about truth. There's a great video of Rep. Tom Perrillo in Virginia (link below), who got people to calm down enough to listen, and even though they might not have agreed with him in the end, they were so struck by his willingness to listen and try to explain, none at the end of the meeting would make some of the same outrageous statements they did in the lobby before it started. When we dialogue, we force ourselves to use the rational side of our brains, and we naturally calm down.
Perriello’s Health Care Town Hall: Fear and Respect in VA-5:
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/10/perriellos-health-care-town-hall-fear-and-respect-in-va-5/
I think a portion of the anger is due to fear. Many people have lost income, if not jobs, the uncertainty about their future scares them and that leads to anger.
I have been to most of the political meetings and listened to many angry voices on the subjects of the Health Care Bill and the Capp and Trade Bill, but I have yet to see anyone turn to violence. If you have seen such Heath, I would like to know the name and location where it happened.
I have seen not only Conservatives but Liberals as well angrily voice there opinions. I have seen the formation of a coalition of people (both liberals and conservatives) form what is known as the ‘Tea Party’ and march peacefully on Both Senator’s offices here, go in orderly and voice there opinion, etc. But again I am unaware of any violence in this city by either conservatives or liberals.
Heath you should be aware that a good reporter should report the facts and not rhetoric or innuendo. You are a media person who should (as a good reporter) report the news and not stoop to name calling of any group, be it conservative or liberal. The last I heard the definition of violence is when things come to blows at a gathering. This could mean the interference of police to restore order and make arrests. Where have you seen this happen either here or any other place in these United States?
I too am in agreement that Washington is leading us down the rosy path to destruction, but it is my God given right as an American citizen and veteran to voice my opinion loud and clear. Keep that in mind when you print your articles. Let’s be fair minded.
Heath it would be wise to find out where a lot of this 'flame fanning' is coming from. I for one have gone to some lengths to find out and a lot of it is coming from the liberal side.
Try not to paint the Republican party with the paintbrush of reprehensibility, when it is not all coming from that side. You might want to check out the people on the other side that are making it look like the conservatives at to blame.
As far as comparisons, that is the right of an American, whether I agree or disagree. I believe it omes under the heading of freedom of speech. The last time I looked we were still the United States and all citizens have the right to call a politician of any ilk what they like, as long as they do so without harm to the person.
What i would see in a person is not what you or any other person would see. You are standing at one position and looking from a different angle tha I or someone else, so we would see things differently. This is a law of physics. Maybe you need to go back to the University and study your lessons again and take in a little of history while you are there.
Agreed, absolutely. Mob rule is not democracy.
However, I wonder about comments like this:
But instead of resorting to violence, they need to take a seat at the table.
This is similar to some criticism by pro-reform sorts who demand that conservatives stop saying no to reform and come up with an idea of their own. This is a problem though if you believe that any reform is a bad idea - taking a seat at the table is bad if you don't even believe there should be a table.
A similar argument was used against opponents of the Iraq War - basically, they were told to stop opposing it and come up with their own solutions if they wanted to be critical. That's not helpful if you consider the entire endeavor to be a boondoggle - so that's a helpful way, I think, to understand where opponents of "reform" are coming from.
All the rest of it, including the thumbs up to Obama, I'm down with though.
When protesting the war, dissent was the highest form of patriotism, but know we know its just for the stupid and ignorant.
Heath, Secretary of State Mary Herrera is doing a great job with the funding that was left her and the shape of her office when she took it over from the last administration. Mary has been an advocate for our American Veterans and has helped with veteran legislation in NM. We have over 200,000 veterans in NM or 10% of the population. Add a spouse and child and that is 33% of NM population. Write about the things that we need to do to help our vets and their families.
Many good comments here, dissent is not mob rule, dissent is not violence. Disagreement and yelling because the elected reps won't answer questions is not violence. There has not been any violence yet I have seen except by union thugs from SEIU trying to silence dissent.
And really Heath, we who disagree are not being asked to take a seat at the table, we are excluded and demonized. That is why we have to yell and get mad and are so afraid of what is going on in our country. Only the left wing is at the table, the blue dogs get crumbs, and the dissenters get called Nazis by Pelosi and Steny.
Heath I am shocked? I never saw you make this kind of statement when "Code Pink" was showing up at PResident Bush's events? How about MoveOn.Org or others who attacked the PResident made threats and said some pretty mean things when he was in charge? Now you run to the defense of Obama and Obama Care? Come on Heath I expected you to be fair, this is not fair it shows you have a bias by labeling these folks "Conservatives" which is code for Republican, come on Heath you can do better.
Heath even President Obama has his own folks working through his office going to these meetings and shouting support for his plan and that is less offensive then the folks shouting in opposition? There are some real weird people out there but don't label them "Conservative" when you know as well as I do that is code for Republican.
"There has not been any violence yet I have seen except by union thugs from SEIU trying to silence dissent. "
I don't know anybody in a labor union. Do you? Labor unions have been on the ropes for decades in this country and represent an insignificant fraction of working Americans. SEIU is pro health care reform, but so are many many other organizations and groups all over the country. The MAJORITY of all Americans are strongly in favor of health care reform. If you had read the essay, Heath Haussamen acknowledges the fact that most of the disruptions and violence is by the "conservatives".
"Only the left wing is at the table, the blue dogs get crumbs, "
No, the gang of six holding the legislation hostage has 3 Democratic Senators and 3 Republican Senators. The Republicans very much have a place at the table. The concern of the Liberals is that multi-national corporate interests have too much influence and power over the terms of the health care reform. Unless you are very rich, you should be concerned as well because you do not have medical security even if you are paying for health insurance.
You use a quantum mechanical analogy that reality varies with the observer. That does not make very observer privy to the truth. Screwing angles (or points of view) can cause distortions and aberrations. The most reliable and modern methods of discovering the truth is empirical data. The data says that our current health care system is unsustainable and that single payer is the most efficient being less costly with better health outcomes. This is an empirical fact.
The Liberals have already compromised with the corporations and the GOP by going along with the notion of a public option that keeps the health insurance corporations in play. Most Americans actually would prefer single payer.
"Most Americans actually would prefer single payer." Evidence please. This is an unfounded rumor, the polls all show a majority (74%) rate their current health care plans as good or excellent and 53% say ObamaCare will make teir careworse and more expensive. So where is your evidence? As for unions, yes, my Mom was in a union, as are most of my uncles and my neighbors. If you missed the SEIU goon shoving and pushing a guy in a wheelchair at a town hall, go to YouTube and look at it.
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